Cool. Sometimes the good guys win. (link stolen from Atrios)
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Hey Buddy Smith: First of all – you’re not my buddy. Secondly – we weren’t “having a little fun”. We were fighting bigotry. And I doubt that everyone who voted for same sex marriage or civil unions was gay. What an ignorant assumption.
Thanks for sharing this info!
Really, what did they win?
Did that poll, or any like it really make a difference either way?
The sad part is that Bush won 30 states his last election and he needs 35 to pass an Amendment. So he only needs to “convince” five states to approve it. Wisconsin would probably be one
Mosey: I’ll take all the good news I can get, small as it is.
You seem to have a love/hate relationship with polls. 🙂 I’m just sayin’.
“Represent something other than what we wanted it to.” If that poll had represented what they wanted it to — by way of votes from their activists — we would hear about the results ad nauseum from Republican homophobes and their friends at Fox news. But since the truth turned out to be inconsistent with their view of things, it’s dismissed as subterfuge by activists on our side. Buddy Smth is a major league ass hole.
Mosey:
Do you believe that everyone who voted for Bush feels the same about same-sex marriage? Do you believe that state legislatures always act according to the will of the people? Do you believe that internet polls with no scientific methodology are in any way meaningful? Do you, for that matter, have an opinion about gay marriage apart from those bits of rhetoric that might support your support of Bush — if that is, in fact what you support?
Where do you stand, except on the opposite side of whatever Adam happens to argue?
Furthermore:
“they decided to have a little fun, and turn their organizations around the country (onto) the poll to try to cause it to represent something other than what we wanted it to.”
He didn’t say “something other than an accurate representation of the American public’s views.” He didn’t say, “something other than the truth.”
Groups like the AFA, as much as they stump for traditional values and Judeo-Christian heritage and all that hypocritical nonsense, have no problem stretching or utterly disregarding the truth when it comes to achieving their agenda. I’m betting we have a better chance with the truth than they do.
Website polls by a lobbying group isn’t a poll. It’s a really stupid bias. I don’t expect this would have sawyed any votes wither way. Think Olympia SNowe would have sat there and thought, “Oh hey this group has one that says 70% favor….I should change my vote.”
At least I hope not.
The poll itself was unsceintific and biased, hence, has really no value except who has a more pissed off network of people.
John:
“Do you believe that everyone who voted for Bush feels the same about same-sex marriage?”
Nope, but they don’t get a vote.
“Do you believe that state legislatures always act according to the will of the people?”
Not at all, however, they often work to the will of their party. What’s your point?
“Do you believe that internet polls with no scientific methodology are in any way meaningful?”
I already said no to this.
“Do you, for that matter, have an opinion about gay marriage apart from those bits of rhetoric that might support your support of Bush — if that is, in fact what you support?”
It in fact, is not what Ii support. But thanks for asking.
Funny I was just asking what they “won” since there is no plus or minus no matter how that poll would have turned out.
But thanks for playing.
Either that was a dodge or you don’t actually understand what you think re: gay marriage. I think the main point here is that no online poll is really going to be anything but a tool of whatever special interest’s, um . . . interests . . . are served by it. And that it’s a good thing that the AFA’s spin got shut down.
But really: what do you think about gay marriage? If at all, that is. I find it difficult to engage most people — gay or straight — in politics deeper than Celebrity Mole.